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Definitely pretty high quality. Both the acorn and the police hat match the style of drawing almost perfectly.

'A lot of money': Trump owes $87K in interest per day until he pays the fine in his civil fraud case (abcnews.go.com)

Former President Donald Trump owes an additional $87,502 in post-judgment interest every day until he pays the $354 million fine ordered by Judge Arthur Engoron in his civil fraud case, according to ABC News’ calculations based on the judge’s lengthy ruling in the case....

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No, that’s literally his own defense, I just happen to agree with it.

Imagine you lie on your resume and inflate your experience in order to get a certain job. They hire you and pay you 20% over what you would have qualified for based on your actual experience, but you do a good job and your manager just happy with your performance, and when you leave, they give you a good recommendation for you next job. Five or ten years later, you’re just about to make a downpayment for your first house, and suddenly, not your employer, but the government shows up and sues you because lying on your resume is illegal, and they demand you pay all the extra money you earned PLUS interest and fines.

That’s sorta how petty this case is. And if you cheer for this kinda stuff, you deserve for it to happen to you.

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How so? The banks declined to sue and said they’d be happy to work with him again.

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I didn’t say it was. To be honest, I don’t know if it is, I was just trying to draw a comparison that would be easier to relate to for the average person.

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LMAO, I just love how everyone on this site is like “fuck corporations”, “yay communism”, “eat the rich” and “piracy isn’t stealing”, but the moment someone you hate gets caught doing it, everyone’s like “off with his head! How dare he cheat big business like that!”

Hypocritical much?

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Perhaps, but it’s morally objectionable in the same way and for the same reasons as what Trump did. You’re basically just saying “my crime isn’t a crime because it’s technically not illegal”.

Oh and you’re flat out wrong about the last part, because Trump was fined not only the amount of interest the banks lost out on, but additionally also all of the profit he made from transactions that the money helped facilitate. Plus 9% interest.

fortune.com/…/donald-trumps-355-million-civil-fra…

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Do you hate Biden for his crimes as well? Should he be brought to justice too, or is that different?

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Yeah, right.

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I think you’re getting a little carried away with your analogy here.

It’s more like, say, you decide to pirate some movies or software because you can’t afford them right now. But over time you become proficient in using the software, and you manage to land a well paying job with your skills. Now you can afford to pay for it, so you decide to clean up your act and pay for a license, and you also buy all the movies you watched for free. None of the movie studios or software companies had to shut down or went out of business because of lost revenue.

Suddenly, there’s a knock on your door. It’s the FBI. “Sir, we’ve been going over BitTorrent logs from five years ago and found a number of movies and software that was downloaded from an IP address we traced to you. Piracy is a federal crime as you know, and we decided we’re going to press charges.” And then they fine you not only the total amount that those items would have cost if you had bought them back then, but also all of the salary you’ve earned up to this date, plus interest.

Oh, and none of that money goes to the movie studies or software companies you stole from, it all goes to the government. Still cool?

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Okay, so maybe you CAN afford it but you’d rather use the money for something else. The rest of the analogy stays.

He invested the money legally into real estate, he didn’t buy drugs and sold them or anything like that.

Your analogy still doesn’t make sense, you’re doing the same thing you accuse me of: making it worse than it is in order or imply guilt. And no, he didn’t physically rob anybody, the profits the bank missed out on are purely theoretical, just like the profits a software company misses out on when you don’t buy an app you wouldn’t have bought anyways if you couldn’t have pirated it.

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Yeah, right.

MacNCheezus,
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Cool, I hope you never get caught doing something that’s technically illegal, such as running a red light on an empty intersection.

Either way, don’t expect my sympathy when you get caught.

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Not usually, but I’d be lying if I said I’ve never done it.

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As far as I can tell, this case was only about him inflating the value of his properties in order to obtain more favorable terms on his loan.

If he did also undervalue them for the purpose of paying less taxes, that would be a separate case. And in that case, I wouldn’t argue that it was a victimless crime.

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The laptop was authentic, even the FBI has admitted that by now. Stop spreading misinformation.

…house.gov/…/testimony-reveals-fbi-employees-who-…

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/…/ar-AA1cUoyd

The 51 intelligence officials who signed a letter saying that it was “Russian disinformation” have since been identified as part of a Biden campaign operation to help get him elected.

nytimes.com/…/republicans-hunter-biden-laptop.htm…

According to some polls, almost 20% of Biden voters said they would have changed their vote to Trump if they had known that the laptop was authentic (disregard the “false” rating here, that applies to the 53% that was originally claimed. I’m referring to the 19.6% figure they say is accurate, because it likely would have still been enough to change the outcome).

So, now that you know this, what should be done about this? Biden clearly lied to the public and obtained his victory under false pretenses. Seems far more serious of a crime than cheating a bank out of a few million dollars in interest, no?

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I don’t know if the judge did, but the AG likely acted out of malice. Just ask yourself who benefits from this ruling? As far as I can tell, the bank doesn’t even get any of the money, it all goes to the state. And the Democrat party, of which Letitia James is a member, gets to hurt a political rival in the upcoming federal elections at a critical time in their campaign.

Yes, I know that’s not proof, but there’s certainly motive.

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The bankers testified that they did their own due diligence and did not rely on Trump’s exaggerated claims. They knew the figures he gave them were broad estimates and not necessarily correct.

nytimes.com/…/trump-fraud-trial-deutsche-bank.htm…

He didn’t default on the loan and paid it back in its entirety, with interest. I fail to see who the victim is? Yes, perhaps the bank could have made more money but if they aren’t interested, who got hurt?

That’s why I think the piracy analogy holds up, because if you DO end up paying for the stuff you consumed for free at some point, the studios or software companies only have a temporary loss, but they are missing out on potential interest or investment return they could have earned in the meantime, and whatever amount inflation has devalued the money in the meantime.

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Okay, I hope you never end up breaking any rule in our rules-based society, because I ain’t bailing you out.

MacNCheezus,
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Why don’t you read it yourself?

It says nothing about any alleged tax fraud, only fraudulent financial statements used to obtain a lower interest rate on a loan.

Like I said, if he DID cheat on taxes, that’s a different case, and I wouldn’t be claiming that there were no victims.

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Okay, perhaps he did, but that’s not what this case is about, is it?

MacNCheezus,
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Again, that may be the case, but this lawsuit wasn’t about that.

By insisting that he deserves this ruling because of something else he did, you’re only proving that this has nothing to do with justice, and you simply want to see him punished in any way possible.

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It’s not just the party affiliation, it’s also the timing.

Perhaps you should take your own advice there.

MacNCheezus,
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He should probably be in jail, and definitely on some sort of drug rehab program.

Also, you gotta wonder what sort of shitty dad Joe was for his son to turn out the way he did.

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So those underage prostitutes he filmed himself doing drugs and having sex with don’t count as victims then? Good to know.

How about Joe should be in jail for whatever he did to make Hunter this way, and Hunter should be in closed rehab. My guess is he probably IS a victim of his father in some way, so I’m willing to spare him from prison, but he probably shouldn’t have any access to drugs or unsupervised contact with children or teens.

Does that sound fair?

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Hunter is a drug addict, a sex addict, and a pedophile. I imagine you don’t just magically turn out that way if you had a great and unproblematic childhood, but I suppose child abuse isn’t technically illegal unless it’s violent, so… yay Joe?

Anyways, I fail to see how holding Trump accountable while defending your own guy from accusations is supposed to teach me a lesson on how responsibility is supposed to work. Isn’t that precisely the same behavior you’re accusing me of?

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